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A word about the Yiynova MSP19U
Posted by griffonnet on January 16, 2013

 

Yeihei for once I write a full text post ! Because I think they are some things I need to share and let the world know, sometime I will try to give a few words about interesting software/hardware.

[edited 27 Jan 2013 : I tested and added some softwares to the test-list in the article and will continue as long as I can. If you are working with a software that is not allready listed here, don't find any clue on the net about compatibility with the yiynova, you can let me know. As long as it have a windows installer and a trial version, I do not mind to run a test :) I currently run win7 64 bits ]

 

 

Let’s begin…

Today it’s about something we all dream, it became true : a cintiq alternative. Come on, don’t be shy, we all thought one day “if only I had the money…“

I got mine arround one month ago now, it’s called “MSP19U” (not a very sexy name and too much close to the previous device MSP19 that you MUSN’T CONFUSE with !). It comes from a chinese brand, Yiynova and use the same digitizer than Monoprice tablet.

I will not speak about the technical point, Enupnion, Ray Frenden and pc weenies all did a great job at explaining every pro and cons and I agree with them. They show quite everything you need to know about specifications.

Enupnion :http://www.enupnion.com/forum/?p=24 and a video about it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HJydik9dk0

Ray Frenden :http://frenden.tumblr.com/post/38693256477/yiynovamsp19u (Check is twitter account, he show some piece of work with the Yiynova !)

PC Weenies :http://pcweenies.com/2013/01/12/yiynova-msp19u-tablet-monitor-first-impressions-and-unboxing And a very impressive inking video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf15wyXZvkY Plus here some drawings on various softwares showing the pressure sensitivity :http://pcweenies.com/2013/01/28/quick-drawing-tests-with-the-yiynova-msp19u /

James Colvin youtube review : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4rGTP4gPZ8

 

Is it for real ?

Now, if you are there, you probably are wondering “it look too good to be true, is it really good ?” In my opinion : YES, it’s good.

My comparison devices are intuos 3 & 4 from wacom and a cintiq 21ux I could try for a few hours at my previous work.

Until I had tried it for real, I was so nervous and couldn’t believe it either. But at the minute I could make it work I was sold. Yes, it’s hard to believe someone else than wacom could make a screen digitizer working well, but yes, it’s possible.

If you compare it to the intuos 4, you will find you need to press a little more before getting the first pression information. Actually it’s closer to the intuos 3 at the first level of pressure. If you compare it to a cintiq, well, I don’t know about the 22hd and 24d, but the MSP19U is as good as the 21ux. It’s a little smaller and the resolution is only 1440*900, but honestly the screen is great, colors and contrasts are good. I never found it “lack” some resolution, because everything look sharp and define.

The stylus isn’t heavy even with the AAA battery in it. With battery included it’s between 19 – 24 gr (0.67 – 0.85 ounces) depending your battery brand. (For information, intuos 3 stylus are 18 gr/0.63 oz.)

The feeling on the screen is good, if you never draw on a screen, you will need a little adaptation but you will get used to it in a blink of an eye. The screen is full made of glass, it will offer no resistance to your strokes. If you were using an intuos 4 with their special sheet you may find it a little strange, but at least the glass will not get scracthes in time.

With the 19″ size and considering they are no shortcuts on it, the MSP19U isn’t very big nor heavy, that make it really easy to move arround. With a little organisation you can even work with it on your laps, it’s not very heavy and the screen don’t get hot. The bottom is a little warm but nothing big.

What do you want more ? It’s a very good tool, it have no big default that could be a deal break for a large part of people but some point should be ameliorated in the future :

- The first one is the viewing angle : while working on the Yiynova, you have to be right in front of it. It’s okay if you have a good position but a better angle is always apperciated !

- The next point could be the missing tilt option. I do not use it, but I can imagine it will miss for some painter users.

- No shortcut on the Yiynova nor zoom wheel. I’m a keyboard shortcut addict, I never used (or so rarely) those on my intuos, but I can admit it could be nice if Yiynova add them in the future version. A note about the side buttons on the pen : the driver currently do not allow you to map whatever you want on it. But I bet in a near future people will think about it…

 

Okay, now can it work properly ?

First, there is absolutly no lag with it, whatever program you try it perform very well. Pression work nicely but you may have to adjust some setting to get it, for example with Illustrator. They are a very few softwares that do not fully work with the Yiynova, like My paint. I heard SAI have some problems too but they can be managed.

 

Photoshop : I tried Phosothop CS3, CS5 & CS6 version (32 & 64 bits), it’s perfect !No soleace, no jitter, smooth pressure, very

good precision with my drawing line… About line, if your hand shake a little, the line will shake too. The Yiynova is very accurate and do not forgive any mistake. You get what you draw. If you plan on using photoshop to do some inking (you are courageous or masochist :p) you may have to correct a little some part of your line. I mostly use photoshop for texturing and painting, I’m more than satisfied !

 

Artrage : I managed for the very first time to create an inked drawing and found it was very pleasant to play with the line ! Again the pressure

is very responsive and accurate, you may be a little surprised and need some adaptation time before getting used to it, but the result worth it. Of course, all other brushes work great too.

 

Sketchbook pro 6 : (trial mode) I have to say it’s very interesting to draw in it. It’s a good software I never really used it by the past

and now I think I should try it a little longer. Sketchbook give a real “paper” feeling, I think that’s the software where I felt the most closer to traditionnal. Some users had to tweak brushes a little, for me pression worked at first try.

Note : some users encounter problems with older version, but it seem you can adjust it by setuping the msp19u in “duplicate screen” mode instead of “extended desktop” mode. These problems have to be confirmed, I don’t have any older sketchbook version to test sadly…

 

Illustrator : I didn’t try it, but I see a youtube video with someone drawing in it (here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HPOLaaaYdE).

It seem you have to turn pressure recognition “on” in a setting to get it work.

Note : according to “Dan Silverman” (Enupnion) : Pressure sensitivity does work in Illustrator with the Yiynova MSP19U. In Illustrator you have to double click on the calligraphic brush you want to use, set Diameter to Pressure (in the drop down) and then set the Variation for Diameter to something other than 0 pt. So, for example, if you have a 15 pt Diameter, set Pressure and set Variation to something like 10 pt, you get a nice variation in pressure when you draw in Illustrator.

 

Manga studio : I didn’t try it, but most of the youtube review use it. It work very nicely with the Yiynova

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4rGTP4gPZ8

 

My paint : update : I have to apologize here, I first thought it was not working but after trying a couple things, I found that the 32bits

version could work with the msp19u if you setup you desktop in “duplicate screen” mode. The 64bits version don’t want to cooperate on my desktop nor my latop with two differents windows 7 (arium & pro). Sorry for the misleading.

 

SAI : I did not test it but it seems it works if you setup your desktop in duplicate mode, not in extended…

 

 

Flash : I haven’t tested yet, Krishna from pc weenies and some users from youtube comments reported Flash working well with the msp19u.

Check on top of the article for pc weenies demonstrations links !

 

Corel Painter 12 : (trial) Works fine ! (I find myself like a kid again trying all the tools ahah) Very good pressure sensitivity and

responsiveness, a pleasure !

 

 

Illustudio : Looks like it’s not a very popular software (I found it two days ago and that was the first time I heard about it). I tested it out

of curiosity, it’s a japanese software for ink/paint purposes. It works very well but a few brushes are laggy. I don’t know if it’s because the smoothing line take hard on my computer, or because I just took an *arranged* version translated in english by users ? Anyway it’s a nice program for inking and drawing, I try to find an official version to confirm the lag on the brushes.

 

What about 3D ?

Well, I was thinking about a cintiq alternative mostly for drawing (including concept and textures), but I have to say if you try it for sculpting, you can’t be more satisfied. It was the most strange part to get used to, because you never really sculpt on a flat surface in reality. But at the end it save you a lot of time, help you being more precise and add a lot more audacity in your work. The only point that sometimes can bother you is to get used to the minimal distance the digitizer recognizes the pen position, while you are moving some objects do not forget to raise the stylus a little more than 5 mm !

So far I tried Zbrush, Sculptris and 3dcoat, they all worked very well. I remember seeing Luxology Modo mentionned as a working software too.

 

Conclusion

I definitly recommend the Yiynova for student or pro on the budget. Yes, I plan to offer one to my sister and think it’s good for everyone who need an alternative. Wacom have solid reputation and there device last long, but they are so priced they are really difficult to afford for common people. I hope my Yiynova MSP19U will follow me a couple of years but you can’t tell for now. I see no reason why it would die on me, I plan to take a good care of it

Right now with tablet pc running Win 8 a couple more devices can push a little the market. I hope we will see some innovation in the near future, for now we have a nice alternative but some others exist : check Bosto kingtee, P-Active…

For those who are from USA, Pandacity on amazon.com will ship you the Yiynova. For French and Belgium people, you can find it on Amazon.fr with 2 years warranty or cheaper on http://www.ma-tablette-graphique.com/ . For UK it’s now on amazon.co.uk For every other European people, looks like they just open a new shop in Netherland that ship everywhere…

For international shipping like Canada, I asked Pandacity and they sent me to one of their reseller (cumorah-enterprises-llc)… you can contac them, they are really nice and helpfull peoples !

 

A piece of warning…

…about drivers fighting each other. If you previously installed Wacom drivers, you will have to uninstall every piece of it ! The windows uninstall program do not remove it completly, as a result the tablet will act strangely and you will think it’s broken (part of the screen not responding, cursor running freely, lag, no pressure recognition…) You may need to use a tierce software to find everything or use the search tool and manually delete the components. Also, windows sometime can be annoying by trying to install its own drivers. To avoid that, do not plug the Yiynova while installing/removing drivers and always reboot after ! Hope that can help you make a choice !

 

 

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42 Responses to A word about the Yiynova MSP19U

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Tim says:

 

January 23, 2013 at 1:23 am

 

Big problem I can’t find a msp19u for sale! Amazon(pandacity as supplier) says that none are available. Though it seems that amazon has the msp19 for sale ($499) Maybe they will sell the 19u after they have sold all the 19′s. Do you know where I can get a 19u???

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griffonnet says:

January 23, 2013 at 7:40 pm

Hey Tim. Yes I saw they hide the msp19u page on amazon.com. I’m not surprised they may had “a lot” of demands and I suppose they want to be sure everything go smooth with these first. Pandacity really care about customer service, but I guess they are a few people in there and don’t want to be overtaken. But that’s just a guess..

They are for sale on amazon.fr but if you don’t live in Europe it’s not interesting for you, it will be extra expensive to get one for USA. The seller give a 2 years warranty but it’s still expensive for USA.

I got mine from USA by an other seller that ship to international : Cumorah enterprise. Here a link http://www.manta.com/c/mx2szb9/cumorah-enterprises-llc PandaCity send me to them, you can try to contact them and see if they have some in stock.

And finally for those who live in France and Belgium, you can buy them here. The seller give 2 years warranty :http://www.ma-tablette-graphique.com/

 

Hope this help !

 

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Tim says:

January 23, 2013 at 1:41 am

Thats amazon.com (USA)

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Tim says:

January 26, 2013 at 11:08 pm

I just almost bought a 19u with a bad pixel, from pandacity, but the deal morphed into a total warranty of 15 days . And just $25 dollars off retail. I declined.

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Tim says:

January 26, 2013 at 11:16 pm

Now another question, if my laptop native resolution is 1920×1080 and a msp19u (or for that matter dp10u with 1024×600 res) do I have to switch my laptop to match the art pad resolution when mirroring the external display??

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griffonnet says:

January 27, 2013 at 12:46 am

Yeah it’s better to buy one in good condition and have the full warranty ^^

I read somewhere on amazon they have some stock arriving in February…

So about the resolution, if I understand correctly : you plan on using the tablet in duplicate mode and not in extended mode ? I just tested it, the mirroring in win7 automatically take the lower screen resolution and match both screens with it. So basically, my Dell (1920*1200) just go to 1440*900 to match the msp19u resolution.

I did the test on my desktop but I guess it will work the same wy if I try it on my latop. I don’t think there is a way to change that…

If you plan on using the dp10u, it may be better to go in extended mode, unless you have to be in duplicate screen mode for some reason, of course ^^

Let me know if you want me to do the test on my latop or whatever, I’m okay to test software too if you are wondering about compatibility !

 

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Tim says:

January 27, 2013 at 1:28 am

Thanks for your knowledge

My research for this purchase has gone beyond my normal “shoot from the hip” technique

Cintiq’s are/were the only choice but my need to create was trumped by the Wacom prices. I have a small Graphire 4 tablet(with 3.5×5″ working surface) and I haven’t really progressed much.

http://evian-dart.deviantart.com/gallery/ I assume that drawing on top of a work in progess is more natural, but have come to the conclusion Yiynova products are overpriced too. Take alook at the chinese android tablet prices, $70 and up so the monitor/digitizer combo like these art pads could come in less than a DP10 price. Also Lenova is releasing a external monitor/touch for $399 w/wireless connection. Not sure about pressure levels though, Since Windows 8 is touch based, I think there will be a new rush of products that will compete with the Cintiq bench mark.

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griffonnet says:

January 27, 2013 at 2:27 am

Hehe don’t forget when you buy something you pay more taxes than hardware ^^

I buy my yiynova from USA, when it come to Europe I had to pay 30% of its price (+ shipping) for import taxes purpose + foreign customs… But the yiynova are already imported in USA, so there price here include taxes too…

If you go in China and buy it here, you will pay nothing by comparison :p

About the lenovo, I already know about it, but will wait reviews about it. I’m quite disapointed by the lag the wireless version have. I want to be sure it’s not an hardware problem…

The digitizer it have is the lower wacom digitizer, they sell it to tablet pc brands but never change the technology (a shame). I think it’s okay with small screens because you will not notice any lack in accuracy nor lag, but it’s definitly far far away from cintiq, intuos, bamboo or the “u” serie from yiynova… But ! If you are not buying it for professionnal purpose, it can be very fine in my opinion. (For professionnal 13 inches is a little tight if you plan on creating complexe pieces. That will force you to zoom in-out a lot or look on a second screen and result significant lose in workflow. Not everyone is concerned but honestly, when things get serious, bigger is better. But again that’s only my thought !)

If you want to try to get an idea, you can go into a shop with test device and ask about a test with the samsung note 10.1 (actually the better display with this digitizer imo), asus ep121, asus 810, samsung ativ or ativ pro and whatever tablet pc with wacom inside it. Actually, wacom hasn’t released a proper win8 drivers but it was okay with win7 & androids devices That can give you an idea about what you will be able to do with a digitizer display and all these device are 10.1 or 11 inches, not very far from the 13 inches lenovo will provide.

IBut you’re right, with the new tablet pc coming into market, I really hope technology will go forward (and prices down, of course )

 

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